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kimetsu-no-yaiba-writings · 2 years ago

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I just had the Idea, like Imagine, the S/o from Muzan, Koku, Douma and Akaza (seperate) finds a spider and is REALLY Scared of it. How would they react?

The mental image of the S/O shrieking in terror and one of these men just absolutely pegging it all the way from one side of the house to the other just to find out its a spider that scared the S/O amuses me greatly (≧▽≦)

Also I have arachnophobia and honestly spiders get my skin crawling in terror... they just give me the ick

Honestly thanks for sliding this into my askbox! It was fun to imagine and write what these men would think and do during such a scenario!

Muzan Kibutsuji, Kokushibo, Douma/Doma + Akaza reacting to their S/O being scared of a spider - Headcanons:

Muzan Kibutsuji:

He was just doing an experiment, just messing around with chemicals to get a reaction

When he hear's you scream

Fucking speed demon o'hoy as he speeds across the house to find you, nails hardening and lengthen and tentacles wanting to burst out from his skin to get rid of what's harmed you

And when he reaches where you are, hands cracking the foundations of the door with a snarl on his lips until his eyes land on you

Muzan stands there - his fear quells and is instead replaced with a thankful neutrality - breathing slowly reverting back to normal as he takes in your shaken form standing on one of the tables in the home's library

With a quirk of his brow his gaze drifts to where your shaking finger points and lands on the calm + poised form of a spider

Muzan stares at it

The spider stares back

Before it's promptly squished under a book

Your carried out of the room like a bride

"For scaring me you get to sit in my lab" Muzan says, going back to mixing chemicals "And if your good, it'll be me that makes you scream in ecstasy later"

Muzan knows spider's scare you so usually just kills them before you see one - although the odd few go get to live

Kokushibo:

Kokushibo was meditating - his usual activity after a long day

It's silent, the house in a state of stillness and the world outside holding it's breathe as Kokushibo breathes in...then out..

And its shattered by your scream of fear

His body moves quicker than his mind

Hand on his katana as he rushes to where you are and as see's you cowering in the hallway, eyes flicking to and fro to see where your fear is placed to see the 8-legged fiend

"It's a spider...." He states plainly, eyes blinking as his stance relaxes "......again?"

"Can you please make it go away!" You whisper-shout, eyes peaking through your fingers at him "It's really scary"

Kokushibo simply sighs

Moving silently to catch the spider with a drinking cup and a piece of parchment from the ceiling and releasing it outside

He picks you up and dusts you off with a small smile

"Next time just shout my name, I'll handle the spiders"

Douma/Doma:

Douma/Doma had just finished a sermon

Narrowly escaping his followers clutches from having to give more false kindness and advice that he probably didn't mean

Until he hears you scream

Fear flushes his insides cold and worry makes his chest ache as he runs to your shared quarters

First, he blinks - taking in the scene of your shaking form and the rather harmless spider on the wall

Then his brain starts working at a mile a minute before everything clicks into place

You (S/O) + Spider + Scream from you = Fear = New form of entertainment

Douma/Doma smirks - something filled with malice and a polite mock sympathy - before making his way across the room to soothe you

Before promptly catching the spider and chasing you with it...

Yes, this is funny for him and no, he won't stop until he's tired

After having his fun - for what felt like a millennia - Douma/Doma releases the spider outside

And with a chuckle, kisses your forehead and leaves you

Douma/Doma just doesn't understand why you're scared of spiders until you sit down with him before bed and tell him off for earlier

After that he orders his followers to either kill spiders on sight or move them into the garden

Akaza:

He was training in the garden when he heard you scream out in terror

Making record time to get to you by simply leaping from the garden through the bedroom's open window

Eyes moving wildly trying to find the source of your terror - his heart aching when seeing your eyes shimmering with tears and a scared wobble to your lip

Until landing on the black mass on the floor scuttling about... "a....a spider?" He says inquisitively, his head tilting in confusion

When he realizes that it was the spider that made you scream, Akaza kinda just stares at it for a little while before joining you on the bed to get away from it and soothe you

Then 5 minutes roll into 10 minutes and your both sat there, chilling on the bed in a hug and waiting for the spider to leave

"It's gone now...."

Accidentally stands on the spider

Yes, he screams

No, the spider doesn't make it

But you do get to laugh

Akaza now doesn't go near spiders....

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metalphoenix · 2 months ago

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Hobie Brown had a plan from the beginning

So a little while ago I saw a post that said that Hobie's biggest weakness was that he quit the Spider Society when he did (I can't find that post so I won't link it). I don't really agree with this.

The thing about Hobie Brown is that he knows the value of community. Obviously, we don't get much back round about his personal life in the movie so I'm going to go off of the Spider Punk mini series.

I'm this run Hobie is homeless. He lives out of a van and a community center in Brooklyn (he's originally a New Yorker) but he's not alone. He lives and/or works with a bunch of friends: Captain Anarchy (Karl Morningdew, E-138's Captain America and a gay native american man), Riothart (Riri Williams, E-138's Ironheart), Mz Marvel (Kamala Khan), Hulk (Robbie Banner), Daredevil (Mattea Murdock, in E-138 she is a blind punk drummer in Philadelphia) and other unnamed characters. So even though they switched up his backstory in the film I still belive that he's not alone in his home universe. Punk culture, anarchy and communism are all about building community and helping others.

Honestly I think thats why he's part of the Spider Society in the first place because he obviously does not agree with anything their doing. He's there because he knows they will recruit vulnerable teenagers who don't have the support that he does. Thats why he takes Gwen and Pavitr under his wings I think (to make it clear Hobie is also a teenager that needs support he's just uniquely positioned to give it in this situation because of his background but he is still very much a teenager.) He also knows that sometimes the best way to take down the system is from inside of it. He's gonna play along till he can take them down.

I think it makes perfect sense that he "quit" when he did. At this point Miles knows Spider Society is really fucked up, he knows his dad is gonna die in two days and he's made it clear that he will not go quietly. Hobie knows all of this and trust Miles to have everything handled. I think that he also knows that when Miles escapes Gwen is going to be disillusioned by the Spider Society and get sent back to E-65.

So he trusts both Miles and Gwen to be able to handle themselves for the moment, but because he knows the value of community when organizing he also knows that they can't do it alone. So he quits (like he always knew he was going to). He knows that the best use of his time and skills right now is to make sure they have everything they need to oppose Spot and Miguel when the time comes. We all know he made at least two watches (he had to have made one for himself as well) but I think that he was also recruiting the rest of the band at the same time.

The only other main spider besides Gwen that we see in the chase scene is Peter. We see Penni that one time during the confrontation scene but not again. I think that he was finding Pavitr, Peni, Noir, and Ham. I think he knew that Gwen would probably go to Peter first. He probably knew when she activated the watch he gave her and brought everyone else to regroup.

But Margo was also in that final shot and Hobie would not have had enough time to recruit her between Gwen being sent back and the final shot. I think they have been working together behind the scenes this whole time. When Miles sends himself back, sure at first she didn't know what was happening, but when she saw Miles in the go home machine she kind of froze. She is looking right at the controls for the machine and there is an option to shut down. She doesn't press it. She could, but she didn't. She even tells Lyla to get out of her way, probably because she doesn't want her to interfere too much. She may have known she was gonna help him escape before that scene even happened. Once that was done she could get out and regroup with Hobie and the rest.

So ya I don't think he's a coward for quitting when he did I think he was really smart. We know he plans and excutes political actions in his home universe. Actions that could defiantly end up with him or others in jail. When planning things like that you need to be smart about it, often times for particularly dangerous things no one has all the information till the very end, of course he'd keep it a secrete. Even from Gwen because she's still not ready. He's not a coward he just knew how to best utilize his and everyone else's skills. He knows when he needs to be in the background as opposed to the front line.

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artfulacrostic · 1 year ago

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had my second high definition viewing of atsv in the theater today and here are my favorite details that i missed due to being overwhelmed on my first viewing:

LONG AF POST:

-gwen is literally wearing a rainbow shaped trans pride pin on her jacket with her prom outfit. she's soooo so canon trans <3

-captain stacy HAS A TRANS FLAG PATCH ON HIS POLICE UNIFORM JACKET?????? when i'm telling u my eyes popped out of my head 😳 SHES SO CANON TRANS!!!

-poster outside miles's guidance counselor's office reads: "visions sciences: telling you your story".

-parallel of miles's and gwen's dad kicking things out of general exasperation towards the beginning and end of the movie respectively

-when miles as spidey is talking to his dad and giving him advice (for himself) there's a reference to miles possibly reading vonnegut? (maybe in class??) "if this isn't nice what is" is a collection of kurt vonnegut's commencement speeches. (literally subtitled "advice to the young". the writers were extremely clever for this reference. if not reading it in class, miles has been searching up life advice on his own)

-i barely caught this but i'm PRETTY sure that in miles' room near his door there's a MICHELLE OBAMA presidential race sticker??? was president obama in the earth-1610 dimension michelle obama?? iconic if so

-fedex on earth-1610 is REDEX

-gayatri seems like they took elements of both gwen (police dad) and mj (young model) for her background as i believe i caught her visible on a "zomato" ad billboard (which appears to be the earth-50101 version of ubereats)

-i spent all of hobie's scenes trying to pick up the details of his many pins; but the only one that i could really make out with the quick shot changes besides the union jack pin was the one right above it, which is a three-leaf clover. i wondered if maybe it had some kind of significance to maybe irish independence or smth but i couldn't find anything online that backed that up so not sure what it means. if u know pls drop it in the replies.

-hobie's boots are definitely NOT ladder laced. i KNOW there is concept art and poster art of him with ladder laces but in the actual movie they are 100% crossed. also unlike the poster art, both boots have blue laces, not one blue, one yellow/orange. i wanted to be all on board the ladder lace code train but i'm pretty sure they just made his laces blue so that they could contrast against the red boots and be spidey colors. they probably abandoned the ladder lace part of the visual when someone realized what blue ladder laces meant in lace code. "HAS hobie killed a cop," you ask? given his comic backstory i'd say the odds are HIGH. but i would bet they didn't want people to think that since he's gone through canon event asm-90 ("a police captain close to spider-man is killed by falling rubble during a battle with a nemesis") that there's any possibility THAT was the cop he killed and he's proud of it (since it's supposed to be all abt character development from the ✨trauma✨ of the event)

-during the whole "intervention" scene, while all the other spider-people are facing directly in towards miles and miguel from wherever they are standing in the circle, hobie is the only one whose back is turned. he watches most of the scene over his shoulder. also, during a couple shots facing miles before the entire society of spiders show up, hobie is separated in the shot from all the other main spiders (Peter B, Gwen, Jess, etc) BY MILES. he is visible over one shoulder and everybody else is visible over the other. these two details are great signals of hobie having already MORALLY turned his back on miguel's authoritarianism, as well as giving a nice inverted "devil/angel on the shoulders" nod.

-peter b asks miguel to take a picture of him and mayday since it's her first chase; miguel brushes him off but mayday understands and uses her webshooter to click the camera button on peter b's phone and take a selfie without him noticing 😂😂😂 shes everything to me

-when miguel is pinning miles to the train, after gwen and peter b have caught up, there is a very fast moment when miles calls for help ("PETER!!") and peter doesn't reply to him, but calls out to miguel to calm down (smth like that) instead 🥲 peter for the love of god step up your mentor game and look out for this kid i can't handle it anymore

-when gwen takes the watch hobie made her out of the box, the screen is briefly visible and reads "project botleg". bootleg -> bot -> "botleg"; I SEE YOU HOBIE. people think he's so cool (and he is!!) but he's also just as much of a dork as all the other spiders. what a goofball

-in miles-42's room, a speed bag/speed ball/maize ball is attached to his wall near the door. there are other substantial differences to their rooms, but i think this is clearly a reference to uncle aaron-42's large presence in miles-42's life, given the association from both movies of aaron with the punching bag and miles getting guidance from him/looking to him for support.

-in addition to all the miles-1610 vs miles-42 prowler vs spidey reflection imagery in the end credits, guess who else has several moments of flashing from spider-man colors (red and black at least) to prowler colors (purple and green)?? miguel, that's who. miguel and miles-42/uncle aaron-42 team-up in beyond the spiderverse? or just an extra parallel for the antagonists sharing goals/possibly methods?

OKAY ANYWAY if ppl want i can try and dig up images of some of these but i figured that would make this post long af so that's all for now folks!! go see across the spider verse again and marvel at how much more fine detail you find like me 🕸🕸🕸

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qyxzun · 2 months ago

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𝟑 ┆𝕮𝐀𝐋𝐋𝐈𝐍𝐆.

𝐌𝐈𝐋𝐄𝐒 𝐋𝐄𝐓 𝐎𝐔𝐓 𝐀 𝐋𝐎𝐔𝐃 𝐆𝐑𝐔𝐍𝐓 𝐎𝐅 𝐏𝐀𝐈𝐍 when he collided with pillars and was thrown around until he hit a wall that had accidentally creased. He held the side of his stomach while he panted from exhaustion, that go-home machine definitely didn't treat anomalies gently. He winced in pain from the bruises he got from Miguel and the other spider-variants. He took off his mask to breathe easier yet the cold air pressured his chest, causing it to hurt more.

He knew his time for rest was limited. He had to alert his parents of what would happen, or else. He didn't even want to imagine how his canon event would play out, he needed to focus. He pulled himself up quickly without fully recovering and put his mask back on. Knowing the city like the back of his palm, he ran as soon as he could while constantly looking back to see if he was being chased. With a swift flick of his wrist, he shot a web to pull himself through multiple buildings. The rain dropped down on his suit while he slid through small shortcuts that led him to the main city.

Miles ran and ran as fast as he could, shooting so many webs that he didn't even stop to wonder when they'd run out. His chest heaved out of fatigue yet he knew he couldn't stop. While landing from one rooftop to another, he thought of Miguel's words. He couldn't understand, that spider bit him for a reason, he was meant to be spider-man! He was destined for this, this is who he was. It's his real identity, it's his duty to protect his people.. including his father. Miguel was wrong, he's not a mistake, he is the real spider-man. It was all Spot's fault, all his fault.

...right?

His train of thought was interrupted when his spider-senses tingled. He didn't realize that he was heading into a glass building until he crashed into it, the shards slicing the part of his suit's shoulder. He hissed in pain, clutching his shoulder with his gloved hand before clumsily getting up. The people around him gasped at his sudden intrusion before he quickly jumped out through the broken window he crashed into. His movements became gauche, like a bull in a china shop. When he missed another shot of his webs towards a building, it caused him to dangerously fall and crash on a car's front windshield during traffic. The wind pressure made it worse as if he had been hurled hard into the car.

Miles' whole upper body ached in pain, he couldn't breathe properly anymore. It didn't help that his mind was playing tricks and went back to his original thoughts of Gwen lying to him as well as Miguel's words. Before the man inside the car could complain about his windshield, the black spider-man already fled the scene overhastily using his webs to pull himself further up. He was so close to his apartment, just a few more webs...

He finally saw his familiar bedroom window before he pulled himself against the wall and opened the window with haste. He dropped down on the floor for a moment of rest before ripping his mask off to let him breathe easier. He was panting out of exhaustion until he sighed in relief, smiling. He made it home.

His short moment of repose was interrupted when he heard his door slowly opening. He grabbed the closest jacket he could find and zipped it up. "Miles..?" He could hear his concerned mom's familiar voice. He turned his head and saw her holding a hamper.

"Am I interrupting something—?" She asked once more before Miles rushed towards her, grasping her shoulders with a look of distress on his face. "What'd you do to your hair—?"

"A-Am I too late?! Are you guys okay? Tell me you're okay." Miles accidentally interrupted while he looked at her, worried. Rio was already disoriented and bewildered at why he was acting like this but decided to answer honestly.

"I'm okay," she replied, perplexed. Abruptly, Miles hugged her by the shoulders tightly.

"You were right... you were right about everything.." Miles admitted before Rio just smiled. "Of course I'm right, I'm always right.. what am I right about—" she asked quietly until her son pulled away, not hearing her question as he still felt stressed.

He needed to tell her the truth, the entire truth. He was so tired of hiding the fact that he had a whole secret identity while Rio and Jeff were constantly concerned about him. Though they bugged him a lot because of his failing grades and absences in the past, Miles knew it was only because they were worried for his wellbeing.

" 'm sorry Mom... I know you know I've been lyin' to you.." Miles admitted with a hint of sorrow. Rio looked at her son, her eyebrow raised in curiosity as worry started to develop.

"It's 'cause I thought if you knew... you wouldn't see me the same anymore," Her son continued before he sighed and looked down, feeling uneasy.

"What do you want to tell me?" She asked with a look of seriousness now present on her face.

"You gotta promise nothin's gonna change," Miles responded first, hesitant to tell her. She noticed that he was becoming apprehensive.

"Hijo, I will always love you, I don't care what you say," Rio reassured, approaching him with a gentle smile. "¿ Tu me entiendes? (You understand me?)" She asked calmly yet she could tell Miles was still on edge.

Miles had his hands in his pockets while he continued to hesitate. Finally, he zipped down his winter jacket and showed her his suit.

"I'm spider-man," the curly-haired teen admitted, scared of his mom's reaction. An awkward silence sat between them. Rio kept looking back at him and the red spider logo on his suit with a bewildered look.

"Who's spider-man?" She finally responded which baffled Miles completely.

"The superhero? The one who got bit by a spider..? It gave him spider powers?" He responded before flicking short harmless webs out of his wrists. "He's me?" Miles said. He felt like he was stating the obvious yet Rio was still confused.

"Is this where like, you dress up as Y/N's favourite character? She always liked those comics and anime books like you did.. oh I forgot what they're called.." Rio responded before turning around towards his clean bed that piled his laundry. Miles was of course bemused, how the hell does she know you?

"Then the two of you would go to— Oh what's it called... like Comics-Con or something.." She continued while Miles was straight up puzzled. "I don't know what that is..?" He responded until Rio looked back at him and chuckled like he was joking. When she was certain that she had collected up all of his laundry, she left his room, with only Miles pursuing her.

"Mom, stop playin' around— this is serious!" Miles said as he zipped up his winter jacket again before following her.

"I mean— Dad didn't understand at that time but.." Miles started to get defensive but he couldn't explain so much detail without also getting lost. He leaned his head against the doorframe out of frustration. "Man I wish Dad was here to explain this..." he muttered to which his mom interrupted.

"Miles, please," Rio sighed, asking him to drop it already as she began walking around the house to see if there were any other chores to do. She looked back at him and noticed his distress. She worriedly walked back to him and cupped his cheek with one hand while the other was still holding the hamper.

"I know you're still frustrated about Y/N but I got you to take care of, and I got me to take care of.. So help me out," Rio responded before letting her hand slip away as she stepped into the kitchen where she then started to arrange utensils and clothes. Miles was beyond puzzled when she mentioned Y/N again.

"What about Y/N.. how do you even—" Miles was about to ask until he suddenly felt an extremely painful sensation in his entire body. He felt distorted, and out of balance in excruciating pain. He almost collapsed if he hadn't held onto the shelf that tumbled a few books. Once it stopped, he widened his eyes out of realization. He was glitching.

That machine didn't send him home.

Miles heard the front doorknob shake before the door opened. His eyes widened. He could feel the fear, nostalgia and so much more in him when he suddenly saw him, his Uncle Aaron, in the flesh, alive. He had his signature smirk over his beard which had already grown longer and a little whiter. Miles was breathing quite fast, not knowing how to handle seeing someone who died in front of him before he was officially spider-man.

"Hey," Aaron approached him with a nod, sticking his hand out to dap him out. He noticed Miles' hesitance and was about to ask him if he was alright until the teen accepted and immediately hugged him. "Woah-" his uncle was baffled, surprised to see his niece suddenly hug him out of nowhere.

"Okay.." the bald man chuckled awkwardly before pulling away from his niece. He was surprised to see Miles' new hair all of a sudden. "You took your braids out man?" He pointed out with a small smile before he walked towards Rio.

"Y-Yeah— I'm getting used to it..?" Miles responded in confusion as he tried to get along with it.

Rio and Aaron were talking in the kitchen about her work while he reassured her about helping her out in the family and of course some money. Though he could hear their conversation clearly, Miles couldn't pay attention as he was beyond in disbelief. He kept thinking about so much stuff at once, specifically, how will he get out of this place.

His eyes looked down on the cold carpet in deep thought until his mom called out to him. "Miles, I have to work an overnight tonight. Here's the grocery list okay?" She held a small paper to Miles before Aaron gently took it from her fingers and shoved it in his jacket pocket.

"It's alright, I'll make sure he gets these done," he said before walking past Miles and giving him a side glance, a small way of telling him to follow him. The teen had a semi-worried look but still accepted.

Miles followed him out of the apartment and up the rooftop stairs, doing his best to blend in and not appear suspicious in front of his Uncle Aaron, who was discussing a plan Miles couldn't possibly follow. Once they reached the rooftop, Miles looked around in a stupefied frenzy after what he saw.

Most buildings were vandalized, some had fires while police alarms were constantly blaring even at this late night. Miles could hear numerous screams everywhere yet he couldn't even determine which one was where. A helicopter had even crashed down near a few buildings away in the sky yet Uncle Aaron paid no mind like this was the norm for him. It concerned Miles to the fullest.

"There's no spider-man here.." Miles muttered, his hands grasping the inside of his winter jacket tighter. He glanced up before he gasped in fear, the cold wind sending shivers down his spine.

What befuddled Miles with dread and dismay was what lay before him; a mural with two flickering lights above displaying graffiti art. It felt like his Uncle Aaron's death all over again when he saw the spray-painted portrait of his dad, with a small message; rest in power.

Miles couldn't even look away, his anxiety growing as more thoughts rushed into his mind. He feared for the worst, will this happen if he was too late? How long until his canon event happens? Will he be able to save his dad? Will he succeed..?

Aaron checked his phone after it chimed, his face solemn unlike before who only showed smirks and humor. The bright screen contradicted the dark night over the dangerous city yet the news he received was certainly eye-catching. His eyes slowly turned to Miles, who had a disturbed expression after seeing the mural. Miles didn't even notice until he could feel like death was staring at him.

His spider-senses reacted late as a sudden punch to the eye immediately knocked Miles down. Slipping into unconsciousness, he fell on the rooftop's dirty floor, a loud thud following soon after. A sudden headache developed as Miles slowly woke up. He couldn't open his left eyelid properly after such a hit. While his eyes slowly fluttered open, he tried to move his hands and body yet couldn't as he realized that he was tied up to the punching bag with sturdy metallic chains, the same one his Uncle Aaron owned before his apartment was renovated... The room was almost pitch black if it weren't for the windows that only showed the bustling lights of the perilous events outside and the small television Miles recognized in Uncle Aaron's living room that emitted light.

Miles struggled as he tried to blast the metallic chains tied around him yet struggled to do so. "Fuck.." he cursed under his breath. He looked around trying to find anything that could get him out of this situation yet when he looked up, he noticed something.. or someone at the distance.

Miles watched from the distance with an apprehensive expression. His movements were limited thanks to the chains as the figure dropped down from the wooden board close to the ceiling onto the floor with ease. It felt like one of Miles' sleep paralysis moments when the figure started to approach him, their narrow eyes were purple alongside the purple glowing claw-like gauntlet he wore on his right arm.

"Who- are you?" Miles asked after mustering up some courage and sense in his mind that it was only a person, not a monster. His sudden glitching caused the punching bag behind him to shake. He groaned in pain while the mysterious figure paid no mind and stopped in front of him, their appearance becoming clearer.

Their face was covered with a mask but Miles could tell by his masculine build it was a guy. A familiar prowler logo was sprayed on his shirt below the purple jacket he ported, it was clean but sloppy. Yet it got Miles thinking, wasn't Uncle Aaron supposed to be Prowler? Who was this person?

His doubt and curiosity were soon turned into pure astonishment after the figure's mask slowly unraveled. Miles felt like he was staring at his reflection which didn't match his at all. On one part, he noticed he had stress marks and darker eye bags than Miles which he maintained with his brooding expression.

"I'm supposed to be askin'" The prowler version of Miles scoffed with a bored scowl on his face. Miles seemed to breathe faster, he was running out of time.

"If I don't get home.. our dad's.. gonna die—"

"Your dad," His evil counterpart interrupted, emphasizing the obvious while he remained unfazed. Miles could already tell that convincing him would be hard but.. it was him he was talking to. He knows himself better than anyone yet when it comes to his counterpart, he doesn't know what to say.

Despite having almost the same appearances, their personalities and futures were nowhere near the same. Miles' canon event has yet to come but considering his counterpart's enigmatic self, his canon event must've been a terrible experience to the point he became reserved and melancholic. But what canon event would that be? Miles was huffing shortly until he stopped and had an idea.

"Please..." Miles sighed, looking at his counterpart in the eye. He was still worried but he sounded more serious than before. "You need to let me go.. if not for my dad.. then for Y/N," Miles confessed to which he saw his other version of himself suddenly widen his eyes. The spider-man could tell he ticked him off in some way he knew was a sensitive topic. Miles was about to continue until he saw his counterpart's expression turn to his enigmatic facade. He could sense a hint of extreme exasperation appearing thanks to his body language.

The prowler's clawed gauntlet suddenly fired up, a fizzling sound of electricity buzzing through the air as his hand turned into a tight fist. Miles hid his hesitation well enough that it pissed the Prowler off further to the point he did something drastic. What Miles didn't expect was his sharp gauntlet suddenly slamming the punching bag he was chained up to, just beside his cheek. The punch he left created holes for sand to slide down below Miles.

Miles' eyes widened as his heart began to race faster from the near-death experience. The claws on his gauntlet were sharp like razors and hot like blue flames. It landed a deep enough cut on Miles' cheek that made him close his eyes and hiss in pain. Yet strangely, he could feel the Prowler's dead glare on him more than the heat and the cut itself. Staring back at him felt like he was eyeing Malevolence itself.

"How the fuck do y'know her cabrón?" Miles G. hissed with a seething tone, the sharp claws pressing against Miles' skin further to the point drops of blood were dripping from his gauntlet, staining the floor.

The past two weeks have been a journey for you, to say the least. The three accepting people, All Might, Nezu, and Mr. Aizawa.. kind of, had been training you almost every day without a break for an entrance exam for UA, and you found them all challenging and fun to do at times. Since you would be considered a late-entry student, they warned you that the exam would be much more difficult. Luckily, Aizawa had taken off his bandages after healing from an incident he refused to explain. You didn't seem to mind. Thanks to his recovery, he was more adaptable and flexible during practice. The training was diverting, especially sparring with the black-haired man, whose expressions behind his yellow goggles were always priceless whenever you slipped through his tight scarf, which he used to mostly apprehend you.

"Don't watch the mouth, watch the hands!" You would grin and easily slide through the tight fabric before he'd get baffled. You could sense his eyes would widen while he would often activate his quirk on you whenever you shot webs to try and catch him, sometimes forgetting you can always nullify it.

Mr. Aizawa didn't just train you; he also offered or rather commanded, you to join him on underground patrols anytime the moon was shining every night. You had no idea why he would want you to accompany him on patrols since you didn't believe his poor reason that you'd cause trouble if left unsupervised. What made up for it was the sense of accomplishment when you caught a villain together; it was similar to travelling on missions to capture anomalies with other spider-people and returning them home.

On a side note, Principal Nezu allowed you to sojourn at his place since you had no one else to turn to. You appreciated his hospitality and politeness when it came to taking care of you. Despite being a strange animal, Nezu had a welcoming and warm residence, comfier than your dorm at Brooklyn Visions Academy. He gave you a room and a study lab for your future studies and experiments. You didn't want to admit it, but Nezu taught you better than your BVA professors. You practiced Japanese calligraphy, culture, and such, but while you found Linguistics in Japanese to be the most difficult apart from your training with All Might and Aizawa, it was also the most enjoyable at times.

All Might, on the other hand, introduced you to a lady named Kurose, who's a pro hero known as Thirteen. As she specialized in rescue and search training, she generously offered to train you at UA's battlegrounds whenever All Might was occupied. Toshinori was grateful for her help as you learned a lot from her but anytime she saw you glitch, like a normal person, she'd be concerned and ask if you were alright but you couldn't tell her. You didn't mistrust or feel threatened by Ms. Kurose at all but it was a part of an agreement you and Nezu made. Information can be spread fast like rapid dissemination, and Nezu was certainly not going to take any chance.

Nezu trusts the Pro Heroes more than you but the astonishing fact that you weren't affected by any quirk at all can be a huge advantage to an extreme extent. It's a miracle but also a dilemma at the same time. After the USJ incident that Aizawa refused to tell you, the investigation involving Shigaraki and his pet was put into question by the Pro Heroes. Your invulnerability against that man-child's quirk was certainly a gift brought from another dimension, as it'll play an effective role for your part. It's one of the reasons why Nezu and Toshinori accepted you with open arms, to teach you as proper mentors, so you'd never fall into the path of villainy. But after the district incident with the Vulture, they highly doubt you'd turn for the worse since you already possessed the characteristics and strengths of a hero, better than most heroes too.

The dilemma was that you don't belong here. It was never destined to be, just a coincidence. The longer you stayed on Earth 61860N, the harsher your glitching developed. It went beyond just your body glitching to your presence causing other items to warp and transform as the consequences lingered and were more unpleasant. You didn't even want to think about the times you were sore from training and suddenly started glitching; it was excruciatingly painful. It grew so terrible that the presence of your dimensional traces in your room began to distort more than usual. Even Nezu got concerned when he would occasionally return home from his job as the Principal of UA, perplexed as to why a piece of his home appeared to be distorting.

Toshinori knew you couldn't remain much longer and may die at any time, but he was doing everything he could to find a way to help you. He began reading innumerable books about universe ideas, pushing you to try medicine he had no idea was worthless, and even attempting to assuage your suffering whenever you glitched, but no matter how hard he tried, it always seemed impracticable. All Might wasn't particularly religious, but he hoped that any god who heard his prayers for your improved health would cooperate.

After a few more days of training, it was finally time for your entrance exam. You were a little nervous thanks to Aizawa's harsh words last time you trained together but you tried to stay optimistic and not let any dark thoughts plague your mind. If you fail then that's fine, if you succeed that'll be cool.

You were wearing a Japanese student gym uniform All Might bought for you for the exam. He claimed it could help you blend in with other students who were taking the same late-entry exam as you. Funny how it was only you in the single trial grounds. It took place inside a large training facility with multiple obstacles and test dummies, big and small, on standby or hidden in a clever position where no one would expect.

You were stretching your entire body and prepared for a warm-up near the entrance to the ruined areas. Meanwhile, the evaluators were focused solely on you atop the high building in the facility's safe zone. Behind them, All Might and Principal Nezu were watching the display screen in the lobby of the observing room. They felt uneasy to observe since the success rate of late-entry exams was exceptionally low; which explains why the majority of freshly enrolled students pass UA on their first attempt. Furthermore, organizing a new exam in the middle of a prestigious school year such as UA would be akin to winning millions of dollars.

You were starting to feel anxious again but after checking your phone, that Nezu provided for you, you could read All Might's text: 'Good luck on the exam young Y/N, We're rooting for you!'

It brought a hopeful smile to your face before you shut it off and placed it away. The exam had already begun and you needed to focus.

You were initially supposed to go with class 1-B since Vlad King's quirk worked better on you than Eraser Head's, but after some asking and convincing, Principal Nezu gave in and allowed you to stay under Aizawa's care. Usually, Aizawa would make a sardonic reply that'd leave you regretting your decision, but he was surprisingly different and decided to close his mouth.

The day started off normal, his class was obnoxiously loud in the morning until his presence was known inside his classroom.

"Morning," He tiredly announced to his class with his usual bored expression to which his strictness got them to sit up straight, afraid to get scolded. His silence was concerning his students. Are there bad news? Are there other villains? Why's he suddenly so quiet? Why's he just standing there?

What his class didn't expect at all was a girl stepping inside their classroom, wearing the same uniform as them with her school bag slung over her shoulder. They sighed in relief, knowing it wasn't any bad news. In fact, it was quite the opposite. The USJ incident was mostly a traumatizing event that Aizawa and his students were recovering from. Seeing a new face was strange but satisfying. Their homeroom teacher cleared his throat before finally introducing you.

"This is Y/N L/N, a new transfer student to UA's Hero Course. Starting now, she'll be joining class 1-A as your classmate. Treat her with respect," Eraser Head blandly proclaimed with his back slightly hunched from how tired he was from last night's patrol.

"Generally speaking, UA prohibits students from enrolling in the Hero Course, particularly after coursework and scheduling have been set. Even with ones who got accepted through Recommendations, late-entry evaluations are harder to pass than the initial entrance exam you kids went through," Aizawa looked back at you and directed his gaze to the empty student desk that the others hadn't even noticed until now. They were stupefied and dumbfounded as they watched you walk over to your seat and sit down, settling your bag beside your legs.

"L/N's efforts and achievements have been recognized as one that can match a Pro's, so learn from her." Aizawa asserted with the same enigmatic tone, a little shiver going down their class' spines. It was the first time he praised someone's achievements without naming another drawback. His students looked back at each other in confusion and curiosity, now they were definitely intrigued by you.

"Damn, she must be really strong to get into UA during the middle of the year.. No fairrrrr.. Mr. Aizawa has a favourite now?" A pink-haired girl pouted but whispered to her greenette friend behind her to which she nodded in agreement. She glanced at you holding a pen with your textbook on your desk. The girl admired your look of determination and focus even on your first day.

"But he's right Mina," Tsuyu ribbited as she placed her index finger on her chin. "Not gonna lie, I'm getting curious to know more about her," The green-haired girl spoke until Mina nodded eagerly.

"Let's talk to her after class! I'll bring along Kiri or Ochako! That way, we can make her feel included!" Mina suggested with a smile, she seemed to forget to whisper as Aizawa turned his attention back to her, a glare forming.

"Pay attention Ashido, another detention and we'll need to settle your disruptive behaviour with Hound Dog," Eraser Head threatened to which Mina seemed to tense up and focus back on what Aizawa was writing on the board.

'I have no clue what they even said..' You sweatdropped, realizing your Japanese could use some more help.

𝕾𝐏𝐈𝐃𝐄𝐑𝐕𝐄𝐑𝐒𝐄.

#atsv #fanfic #across the spiderverse #spiderman across the spiderverse #mha #earth 42 prowler #spiderman #gwen stacy #miles morales x reader #mha x reader #atsv x reader #miles g morales #hobie x reader #hobie brown #deku x reader #class 1a #my hero academia #bakugo x reader #todoroki x reader

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onlybe-satanonce · 5 months ago

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Prowler Vs Miguel O' Hara

I was just thinking about how in ASTV, Miguel doesn't use his webs a lot, and I thought about more how he mainly uses his claws, and how else uses his claws a lot? Prowler! So I made a connection and fell down a rabbit hole of similarities, and now I want to share them with you.

(Btw I'm not sure if this was really the intent for his design but I just wanted to talk about parallels between The Prowler and Miguel. )

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First off and most obvious the claws.

Even though Miguel has organic web shooters, and does use them on occasion, he seems to mainly stick to using claws to fight and get around, especially during the chase scene in the city where he mostly used his claws to propel himself forward. (Even when he was flying through the city he used flying squirrel-like wings to chase, not his webs.)

On top of that they have similar fighting styles when using their claws, using it to push themselves forward and tearing through things around them to get closer to, most often, miles.

On top of that Miles has a very similar response to Miguel chasing him as he did in ISTV when they're all in Aunt May's House. Scrambling and fighting frantically to get away from a much bigger and stronger opponent, and even though in ASTV Miles got a lot more accustomed to being spiderman, he still had trouble escaping Miguel and was very clearly afraid like he was when facing off against Uncle Aaron as the Prowler.

So on top of having claws in common they also use them in similar ways and get similar reactions out of Miles.

Second Is their masks

Although it's a small detail they both have similar eye designs. A small curl near the farthest corner and a straight line in the corner of the eye. I don't have a lot to whole lot to say about this similarity but it's just another way their designs crossover.

(even Miles-42 has the pattern!)

Third their fates and behaviors

Even their behavior as characters in regard to what they're wearing is similar. we see videos of Miguel and his daughter, he's out of the suit and living happily with his family. When we see Uncle Aaron out of the suit, he's happy with Miles, his family.

But when when they get into their suit, they become focused machines, mind drilled into their missions, disregarding much around them and other people. Besides the small snippet of Miguel with his daughter, we never see him in anything else. Not even in his intro, where most other spiders, were shown in outfits besides their suits, which in my opinion, are meant to symbolize how their life without a mask and life with one are different.

But Miguel doesn't take his suit off, even when he has his mask off. After his daughters death, his spiderman life, and civilian life finally caught up with him and he is forced to live in-between them in a horrible limbo.

For Uncle Aaron it's different. His two lives are separated into two, and the only times he takes it off is when his lives converge. When Miles finds out that the Uncle Aaron is Prowler, Miles is destroyed, crushed but he knows. This ultimately leads to Uncle Aaron's death in the end.

When Miles reveals himself to Uncle Aaron at Aunt May's house, it's a last long shot that Miles hopes will convince him to spare Miles. His family. But once Uncle Aaron lets him go, he dies, his two lives converging for a final time. Spelling disaster for a final time.

Tying into the multiverse

I'm not completely sure that the symbolism of the suit and mask and civilian clothes would be so prevalent to their stories, and the stories of other spiders, but it really gets you thinking about the repetition in different universes and how it all blends together.

With Gwen, when she comes face to face with her dad, her civilian life, and spider man identify come together, forcing her to make difficult and life changing decisions. With Pavitr, his love Gayatri, pushed him to rescue the inspector. With Miles's help, Gayatri and her father were both saved, and they all met. Momentarily converging his life between the suit and his civilian life, which ending up potentially ending his universe.

Well, this was a lot and it really just a rant about how good the writing and story is and my interpretation of some of it, so major respect to everyone who worked on these movies. It really is incredible and i'm so pumped to see what they do with these characters in BTSV

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kojikanokangaetano · 1 year ago

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Across the Spiderverse, Perpetual victimhood and the possibility of youth as shown by Miles and Miguel (+ Hobie)

Tldr because this might be long: Movie good; Miguel is stuck in a state of being the perpetual victim and has dragged down other spideys with him, while Miles is fighting against being ever put in this position, which is why they compliment each other perfectly as foils

So, rambling incoming- I have a lot of thoughts regarding Miguel and have only seen the movie once so far so please forgive me if I got something wrong- only based on the movie(s)

I believe that Miguel O´hara, as well as Miles, are supposed to showcase the approaches of being victimized and how they deal with their experiences, respectively.

Point one: Parent -teacher talk:

In the first scene predominantly featuring Miles, the teacher and his parents are supposed to talk about his academic future, in which the teacher specifically points out Miles supposed "struggles"- however, his parents, as well as Miles himself, are quick to point out that they had a lot of opportunities and are living a good life in Brooklyn, which is shown by the community + family participating in a rooftop party for Jeffersons promotion (+ the "we have a car statement"). However, the teacher reiterates her point of how "They always struggle" somehow and urges to make that point about himself the anchor of his, still blank, "universe".

Point two: Miles´ future aspirations

During the talk, it is shown how Miles sees his parting with the spider-gang from itsv as a mere temporary hindrance, something that can be overcome if he just tries himself at overcoming the wall that is the existence of multiple universes. Even though in the first film it was clearly established that he enjoys his art primarily, he is willing to put that on the backburner and reevaluate his priorities to reach certain goals (seeing Gwen, Peter B., Peni, Noir and Ham) BEFORE pursuing his other passions.- Miles is shown to articulate this actually pretty well to his parents- sure, his dream of meeting them again might be spurred on by a childlike will to belong, but he is clearly able to reason with his parents who are objecting to princeton university at first.

Point three: Dealing with his uncles death

During the whole runtime, it is shown again and again how, instead of letting the death of his uncle drag him down, he is uplifted by his memory and his last words. They are defining for him and what he has achieved since then. It is even shown during the flashback-scene in Miguels lab (?) that even peter B. is not able to keep his eyes on his respective uncles´´ death, but Miles is shown to aknowledge not only his OWN pain, but moreso try to empathize with other spideys in attendance.(will touch upon this later)

How does Miguel play into all of this?

Contrary to Miles, Miguel is shown to be standoffish and unempathizing unless pressed into being soft (taking Gwen reluctantly while she is held at gunpoint with her identity exposed btw). He is shown in his first unmasked scene to be reminisicing about his family, replaying the few happy memories he had with them most likely over and over. Unlike Miles, he reminds himself not only of the positive aspects of what his family stands for, but the MISTAKE they represent to him specifically. This ties into the straight up spiteful way he deals with Miles.

Point one: Miguel uses Miles as a scapegoat

He hates Miles because he blames him. While he talks about the fact that he messed up, it becomes clear during the following talk -and chase- that he, in actuality, blames Miles for everything that happened. Miles is the "orginal Anomaly" and as such the reason why Miguel was compelled to build the universe-hopping-watches. This, subsequently, made him (want to?) find a family. Without Miles getting bitten, he would have never committed the mistake in the first place- As such, Miguel is pushing all the blame on Miles- Miles forced him to act, so the family he had and lost were all because of Miles becoming a spiderman when he wasnt supposed to- easy, right? This is an integral way of thought that also is reflected in the plot.

Point two: Victim-mentality and being "a vicitim of the narrative"

Not only is it most likely used to ctritique the state of the current spidey-comics, of which there has been a huge stir recently(that I dont know that much about, sadly), but it also ties into the mindset of Miguel. He has become jaded (by age and lived experience) and is lost in his perspective of being a victim. Because of this, it has become a necessity to blame anything and anyone to push away his own guilt- in the end, Miles never actively pressured him to find a family and mess up a whole universe while doing so. But even if this shouldnt apply, Miguel has a backdoor for his poor rationalization: It was always unavoidable- the game was never meant to be won, especially as a spider-person. Its freeing and gives him the possibility to atone and distract himself from his wrongdoings, while channeling his anger towards his "true" enemy- Miles.

This is even moreso shown to the audience as to how he has made every other spidey think the same way he does (exceptions made for Hobie and others later on). It is freeing for these peters, too,to know that they werent at fault- if everyone but them is at fault, how are they supposed to feel any guilt? Miguel essentially made the majority of spideys vicitms in their own stories. They have become mere pawns in their narratives and, in turn, entered a "victim mentality". In essence a self-fulfilling prophecy.Only characters like Miles and Hobie see through such a narrow way of thinking.

Spiderpunk - and why he is the most important new player for Miles (and across the spiderverse)

Hobie, my man, number one instigator- spiderpunk, right from his entrance, is shown to be just different from most other spideys. he, right after meeting Miles for the first time (and knowing about his special status as an "anomaly" already), is seen helping him out. He straight up even tries to prevent him from going to HQ, sensing something is up. While on their way to Miguel, he questions Gwen regarding what she must have NOT told Miles and starts stealing parts for a makeshift watch later on.

He even tries to talk sense into Miles and the fact that he is living a good life (even with the likely knowledge of Uncle Aarons death). Which Miles, like everything else, pushes aside because of his need for "true" companionship in form of the spidey-society. Also, the line "knowing about which war you enlist in"- wow, like damn

Uncle Ben

When shown the flashbacks of everyones Uncle Ben, Miles sees Peter B.s and others Uncles in their last moments as a "canon event",playing out before him. At one point, he turns to Hobie and asks specifically if he also went trough this, him having been the outlier up until now. Hobie only turns away, seemingly uncomfortable with the comment "What about it"- Hobie rejects Miguels notion of one laid out event pushing his identity into a specific direction. He detests the idea of being a victim and actively tries to show this mutliple times in his demeanor. He may have suffered loss, but who doesnt? How is this an indicator of being spiderman? He is himself because he wants to be himself, loss be damned. Aknowledging the fact that there might be things that make him a mere player in a narrative, to be written into scenarios already thought out, makes him obviously unhappy- and maybe even feel like he is being instrumentalized-.

Hobie and Miles

Hobie sees the way Miles, akin to Pavtir/Spider-Man India, says "I can do both", a.k.a- "doing whats right" being put BEFORE what the rules would tell you. In conjunction with his mere existence as a sign of "rebellion" and "anomaly" it becomes only natural for him to be the one to stick up for him (telling spiderwoman "good" when told he isnt helping her.) and being the one that effectively breaks out Miles from his electric cage. Hobie sees the spark of freedom and possbility in Miles, something that he must have missed while being at HQ. When things escalate and he sees that Miguel will stick to his guns and toxic mindset, he just, dips. He even leaves his watch, refusing to profit from anything given to him by an organization that doesnt align with his moral code.

Conclusion

Spiderverse never fails to impress. Like, wow- Miles mere existence, that "anybody could wear the mask", even someone that was supposed to become the damn Prowler, is merely dismissed by Miguel and others, them entirely caught in their own sorrow and perpetual state of self-assigned victimhood. Spiderverse shows that actively struggling and trying to break molds and systems that you dont agree with (Miles just trying his best and being uplifted by positive influences, putting his all into his aspirations, even with the outcome being unclear, Spiderpunks whole existence) is the only real way out of being a victim of your own story. He is doing his own thing, and just trusting the leap of faith he has commited himself to again and again, something that Miguel has rejected entirely by now. He in turn finds comfort in the role of a self-appointed martyr and self-sacrifizing head of the spidey-society („I have been the one holding it all together“, etc.). Him realizing that maybe, just maybe, Miles wasnt the one who made the choice for him and that Miguel decided to live his life, with all of his consequences, is so horrifiying, so earth-shattering, that he has made Miles, a teenager, public threat number one in not just his, but everyones eyes. If miles isn’t a victim like him, he has to be the perpetrator.

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The presented message does not only apply to fiction, but also real-life- you are the only one to make choices -and specifically adjustments- to your own life (and story), because hey, "there is no playbook" at the end of the day. :)

I know I could have touched upon Gwen and other characters but it would have been even longer and its late so

#across the spiderverse #miguel o'hara #miles morales #spiderman atsv #atsv #itsv #would still risk it all for miguel tbh #spider punk #analysis

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hobiebrownismygod · 1 year ago

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i have not yet seen a single discussion that between the start of the chase for Miles and the time Gwen returned to her dimension, no more than an hour passed and during THIS time Hobie managed to assemble a fully functioning analogue of the watch and deliver it to Gwen’s dimension, although I don’t think that the device for moving through the universe is simple technology. has he been working on this project for a long time? HOW LONG ago? do you have any thoughts on this?

(and sorry for my bad English! /g )

Like I said in my previous post on Hobie’s canon event and the way the watch works into it (here) I think he’d been working on that watch and his plan for a long time prior to ATSV for the following reasons.

He only stole a few parts in the movie

We only see Hobie stealing parts for the watch in the movie, twice. Once when he’s talking to Miles, which most of us noticed, and one more obscure time in the scene where Jess is first talking to Ben Reilly. If you watch Hobie closely you can see him grabbing a part from a passing Spider-person during Jess’s line, “we actually need you here right now for some reason”.

There’s no way he built that entire watch in an hour with just a few parts. There needs to be more than two or three parts to it, and he definitely didn’t decide to steal immediately after meeting Miles. He had a plan.

Nobody called him in.

We never see Jess or Lyla tell Gwen that Hobie’s arriving to help in Mumbattan. And Hobie probably wasn’t already in Mumbattan, because Pavitr looked surprised to see him as well.

Miguel also seemed angry with Hobie when he saw him, saying “I can’t with you right now”, but Hobie never gave him a reason to be mad. All Hobie did was arrive in Mumbattan, help them fight Spot and come with Gwen and Miles to the Spider Society. He didn’t mess with any canons, so why was Miguel mad at him?

He wasn’t supposed to be there.

I think that Hobie was off the grid prior to the events of ATSV but somehow, found out Gwen was in trouble and portaled to Mumbattan to help her. I think the reason Miguel was mad at him was because he hadn’t been showing up, he’d turned off his location (which I also talked about in my other post) and because he randomly appeared in Mumbattan when he wasn’t supposed to be there.

Project Bootleg

Hobie had a name for this plan. On the watch he gave to Gwen, he wrote the name Project Bootleg on it. I think he had made this plan before he went to Mumbattan and that laying the groundwork for Miles to escape, stealing extra parts for the watch, and formally leaving the Society was all part of this plan.

So to answer your questions:

Yes I believe he's been working on this project for a while.

Timeframe is probably no more than a few weeks, considering the fact that Miguel and Jess didn't seem too surprised to see him and Gwen hadn't mentioned anything about his absence.

He probably built the watch in a week, taking a little bit longer to actually steal the parts, considering that he's canonically an intellectual genius. It being a fairly complicated design wouldn't stray him.

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movedtodykedvonte · 1 year ago

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Another interesting thing about the chase scene with Miles and all the other spiders is he never puts his mask back on until he’s about to go home.

The entire time he is running away as Miles cause he was rejected by the society on the basis of being Miles, the anomaly, not the Spider-man. Not cause he didn’t wear the mask correctly but on the arbitrary basis that he wasn’t supposed to be the one wearing it. The exact opposite of what being Spider-man is supposed to represent.

All the Spidermen that are eventually on his side have their masks off the entire time denoting a sense of personalness to the chase and their relation to Miles; coming to him as friends rather than Spiderpeople doing their duty. How they see him for he is, face to face and who he can be with that mask even if they aren’t quite at that point during the chase. It’s a notable contrast to all the Spidermen with covered faces who are just following orders and acting as Spidermen, even Miguel. It’s only at the end when Miguel makes it clear that this is more personal with Miles, when they are face to face, when his mask truly starts coming off and he is acting in the interest of Miguel rather than that of a Spider-man.

I think it’s a really clever way to show how it’s not important whose under the mask but at the same time noting how whose under the mask makes the Spider-Man and how they choose to uphold that mantle. Miles made up how he was going to do that at the end. Rejecting the society as Miles and returning as his own Spider-Man.

#like whenever Miguel talks to miles with the mask off it’s super personal but when he puts it on he’s sorta subdued #there’s a way Spider-Man acts but that doesn’t not apply to the person under it yet it can bleed into Spiderman #The entire time Migue is sorta trying to force a separation of those two things and forcing Miles to be Spider-Man first and Miles second #the mask allows you to hold the name but that’s about it it’s all determined by what’s underneath it #plus it makes miles seem more genuine and personable because we are seeing Miles go through these revelations not the hero #a scared boy running to save his dad under the mantle he believe would fight for it #while thousands of his own mask untied under his same beliefs try to say he can’t #anyway i should sleep #atsv #across the spiderverse #itsv #spiderverse #miles morales #miguel o'hara #atsv spoilers #into the spiderverse #across the spiderverse spoilers

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scaryspears · 11 months ago

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My rant on ITSV and ATSV

So I've just finished watching the ITSV and ATSV because I'm a late watcher, and when the movies came out I wasn't myself. I'm glad I took the time to watch them, although I had to buy ATSV online because it's no longer in the cinema. This means I got to watch my favourite scenes without issue. With that being said, I have a lot of things to get off my chest regarding both films, mostly with the characters.

Warning: Long post and slight bashing of characters and terrible screenshots.

I don't want to be one of those people who hate Gwen just to hate on her, and I don't hate or dislike her character, but right from the jump her vibe was just off. She felt like one of those characters that disliked the main character for no reason despite barely interacting with her/him (them). I know that isn't the case but I didn't like the way she was blankly talking to him. I'm using the word 'blankly' because I can't think of another word other than 'coldly'.

During the chase scene where Miles and Peter steal the computer, she comes out of nowhere and helps save the day. I was glad but at the same time what the hell. Anyways, Miles compliments her haircut and she snaps with "You don't get to like my haircut.", referring to when he accidentally got his hand stuck to her hair and she had to get half her hair shaved off, I understand getting angry about that. It was an accident, and Miles could've apologised (I don't remember him saying sorry), but she's acting like he did it on purpose.

To top it all off she knew he was like her, which meant she knew what he was going through as he was transitioning. Getting taller, hearing multiple voices, hands sticky, and all that stuff. So that means she's aware that it was an accident, and there's also the fact that she pretended to be a student at his school and hovered around him. She bumped into him on purpose knowing he was a fellow spider.

When you think about it, why didn't she try to get to know him and investigate with him about what's going on? She just left him to discover his spider side chaotically. She should know how scary and confusing that is, but not once does she attempt helping him out.

I'm gonna sweep it under the rug because they are teenagers, and even if they were adults they shouldn't be expected to be more sympathetic to each other. But you'd think she'd be a little bit more understanding. (Don't get me started on her going into his artwork and opening his collectable in ATSV)

Now, Uncle Aaron. I love his dynamic with Miles, the true cool uncle. His love for his generation of hip hop and us seeing Miles' taste of music. The graffiti art bonding, loved it. There were small hints that he was the Prowler. The 1610 Peter getting killed near where Miles and Aaron did the graffiti, Miles calling him while he's being chased by the Prowler, and the Prowler appearing in Aaron's home. I'm thinking "Where's Aaron in all this?" dun dun dun, he's the Prowler. I loved every bit of it. This also makes Miles different from other spider men, being the fact that his loved one ended up being an antagonist, and one scarier than Kingpin. There's no "With great power comes great responsibility." instead it's "In a bad person you can find good in them." Also, the inner torment that he was about to harm his own nephew is chef's kiss. Uncle Ben who?

Moving on to ATSV. It opens up with Gwen and her meeting Miguel and Jess. She looked at Jess and said "Will you adopt me?" Like??? Where yo mum at? I know she passed away, but still. You've only had one look at this woman and that's one of the things that comes out of your mouth? You don't know this woman! Jess sounds like one of those women that only talk with attitude no matter what so I had a hard time rocking with her, like what is her problem??? And she's fighting while pregnant... smdh.

Spot. Funny villain, I liked his banter with Miles, but he's a pu**y punk bi**h. He's blaming Miles for what he became, when he's the one that decided to become a mad scientist and work with other mad scientists under Kingpin. I'm pretty sure there's more to it than a bagel. Lesson is: once you become a mad scientist something happens to you. Norman Osborn became Green Goblin, 65 Peter (Gwen's home) became a monster and died, Shang Tsung got Rick Rolled by himself, you get the idea. Spot made himself like that not Miles.

So Gwen didn't talk to Miles for a really long time because of the whole Spider society thing. When you think about it, none of the other spiders he met did, and I get that they couldn't with the exclusion of Peni. But not one visit? Not one letter? Something??? Now Miles has a little short conversation with Hobie and admits that he only wants to get into the Spider society to talk to his friends and help out with defeating Spot. He just wants to hang with his friends, but Peni and Gwen decided not to do that.

Moving on, I'd like to talk about Miles' walk through within the spider society. They acknowledge Gwen and only Gwen, they don't bother saying hi or even looking at Miles. It was like Miles wasn't even there. Never thought I'd say it, but these Spider men are arse holes. I also got annoyed at the way Jess was talking to him, I get that he's not supposed to be there but she needed to chill.

This anger went when Miles bumped into Margo, and she looked like she was about to lose her cool but she lightened up once she saw who it was, a complete stranger. I'm not a MargoMiles shipper, but I don't mind it (granted so long as they are the same age).

So the scene that goes 0 to 100 quick: I watched a bunch of memes and edits that painted Miguel as racist and I didn't understand why, and thought it was like a Millie Bobby Brown situation. Re-watching the scene where Miles meets Miguel I can see why.

All the other spidermen showed up to gang up on Miles.

"You can't ask me not to save my father."

"I'm not asking."

And hit him with this.

While Miles is freaking out at the sudden imprisonment we can hear Miguel say "We just need to hold him a few days." They were treating Miles like a criminal and/or a confused wild animal. And then Miguel had the nerve to say "All he had to do was listen." when Miles escaped them. I don't think Miguel is racist, but the memes I will support.

Hobie was looking out for Miles as soon as he met him, and I love that so much. He knew Miles wasn't like the ones in the spider society, and made sure to tell Miles to be better. Gwen didn't do that. She did, but she didn't if you know what I mean. She followed along with the crap Miguel was spitting.

And then there was the chase scene. Bro had a bunch of spider men chase Miles and not one of them could catch him. That is the biggest L I've ever seen. One 15 year old boy, and he didn't use his other 2 powers until after Miguel slammed him onto his back. Miles was not playing. Also, Miguel was endangering the lives of people who were driving. And yes, Miguel's at fault and not Miles.

They gave Miles crap just because he didn't want his dad to die, unlike Miguel who actively replaced the life of his other self. Gwen was really going to let her dad die, and Peter B tried to justify it by saying their uncle's death made them who they are. Pavitr was just supposed to get over his love interest's dad dying? They knowingly let that happen.

Miguel calling Miles an anomaly is mega projecting. Miles becoming Spiderman wasn't on purpose it just happened, and that's always how the story goes. No one is simply meant to be Spiderman, they just become him/her. It's also funny coming from a man who crawled on all fours chasing down a teenager.

42 Miles. Prowler Miles. Gonzales. Kilo Immorales. I love him already, can't wait to see the next film where we'll see him in full action. I love how we as a fandom collectively agreed that these two would have a sibling dynamic even though we've only seen 42 Miles for like a minute. I love the Boondocks comparisons as well. I need 42 Miles to hate everyone. I need Miles to be full of rage in the 3rd film Adult Gon style. Prepare for double and make it double.

In conclusion, I should've watched these films when they first came out, they are so great. The art, the incorporation of hip hop and correctness of Afro related backgrounds and the storyline. I honestly felt like Miles was a great representation of the new generation. I saw myself in him, and not just being black but the graffiti and finding out that a family member of yours isn't really a good person. I don't do graffiti or art but I do find them beautiful whenever I see them. Also, the Air Forces. Step aside Peter Parker, we have a Spider man with more drip.

#spiderverse #miles morales #spiderman atsv #atsv hobie #miguel o'hara #miguel spiderverse #42 miles morales #aaron davis #the prowler #gwen stacy #spider gwen #ghost spider #pavitr prabhakar #peter b parker #sunflower #spider punk #itsv #atsv

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mochalottie · 1 year ago

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I wanted to make a larger post about ATSV because I've been listening to the soundtrack on loop for the past week, I'm going to see it again tomorrow, and I just made a very astute observation about the film and its music (and no, this is not a chance to show off my music film degree shut up--)

So, in the previous Spiderverse-film there was a lot of focus placed on the Original Soundtrack. I mean the songs used in the film (diegetically) and which were inspired by Miles' story. It included stuff like Sunflower and What's up Danger.

It meant that there was less emphasis on the film score, written by Daniel Pemberton. Apart from only Miles' theme throughout his journey, and his fight theme in the collidor 'Miles Morales Returns' there isn't much of a focus on the score itself. It falls to the wayside unless people actively go to listen to it. I mean, the cover art for it was actually really simple until recently. The big 'Spider-man' graphic wasn't there a few weeks ago.

Now, there's nothing bad about this at all, and in fact I haven't come here to criticise this, only to observe and possibly gush about how it's changed. Because it has changed; this time in ATSV there's less of a focus on the OST and more on the score. It's far more prevailent, to the point where each Spider person is getting their own theme.

That includes Gwen, Miguel, Miles, Pav, and Hobie. And each actually sounds really well characterised.

Gwen's, which is heard really prevalently during the battle with Vulture at the beginning is very drum heavy (obviously), but the main melody rises in quick succession in what could be a slide, but nearly couldn't because you hear each individual note. We know for a fact that Gwen is the only Spider person in her Earth, so it could almost be a nod to her rising to the challenge. Learning to defend her city whilst also always getting back up. Someone also pointed out that the drum solo heard at the beginning is used at the end, and is part of her theme. It also makes sense why she would form the Spider band, because the drums form the foundation so that the other instruments can build upon it.

Miguel's is first heard when he steps through the portal, and obviously it sounds ominous and menacing. But, I don't believe he's a bad guy. Someone said here that there's a difference between an antagonist and a villain. Miguel is the antagonist, which is reflected in his theme, because he is far different to the other Spiders. He's a vampire, for one, his world is set in 2099, and he was the first to figure out the canon events. The setting is why, I think, his theme is so techno in style. It also has the same rise and fall motif that is similar to Gwen's, a bit of word painting in a sense.

We then come to the main character Miles, who's theme we did experience before in the first film, but it's far more developed in this one. For one thing, it's longer in time, second, it's set during the chase scene with the Spot. We know from the last film that Pemberton is a master at meshing the diegetic music into his score (for example adding in some of Miles' theme into What's up Danger) and it's no different here. At one point, he changes the record scratches (which are literally him scratching the vinyl recording of the score) to the screeches the goose makes whilst Spot and Miles are duking it out in Foam Party. And obviously more rising scales, and epic orchestration but meshed with the record scratches and errant cowbells.

I think Pav and Hobie are my favourite new characters. Like Pav 'Just coconut oil, prayer, good genetics' 'chai tea? chai is tea! Do you want some coffee coffee with a side of cream cream?'. He makes me laugh every time and he's such a sunshine boy I wanna squish--

ahem. anyway.

Obviously, Pav's theme is very culturally accurate, but he hasn't been able to get away from the traditional record scratches and hints of techno like the other Spiders. It doesn't have the rise and fall motif (yet) but that could be because he hasn't been Spider-Man all that long (six months and he still got a badge) and he hasn't experienced any of the major sacrifices Spider-Man usually does. And we hope that he doesn't anyway, cause they need a bright and smiley Spidey that's not weighed down by the weight of his fecking responsibility.

What can I say about Hobie's theme. What can't I say about Hobie's theme. It is downright headbanging screaming at authority fuck the monarchy english punk!! I love it to bits, the way it reminds me of so many other great bands whilst also being really bloody original. Good drum runs like holy shit, good guitar riffs (you can bet their fingers might be bleeding by the end of it) and it just gives the vibes of late 70s. It just fits so so well.

All of it does, the whole score is amazing and I would absolutely adore to pick Daniel Pembertons' brain in finding out how he decided each Spider would sound. Like, the tiny details every creator put into this film is insane.

Each Spider even has their own unique thwipping sound how specific can you get!!!

Anyway, I'm done. For those of you who read through this, know I did it during half of my lunchbreak because this film is giving me brainrot.

#lottie and music #lottie watches movies #across the spider verse #miles morales #gwen stacy #miguel o'hara #pavitr my beloved #hobie brown #atsv spoilers #itsv #smatsv #i just love films scores guys okay?#let me fangirl

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2-sleepy-for-this · 1 year ago

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HII!! it's the same anon that did the t!hovie ask and OMD YOUR RESPONSE HAD ME SO GIDDY AHH

i never even thought about t!hobie and mayday but now you've planted the image in my head and i can't get it out! he definitely doesn't mind being picked up and hugged by her! the first time peter catches them during their secret bonding he immediately rushes over and starts mauling the hell out of him as he checks him over to see if he's hurt while hobie is trying to squirm away 😭

AND MIGUEL!! he'd definitely be desperate to make hobie someone else's problem but I can just imagine the times where he's alone with a tiny swing maniac ahsgsj at some point he just snatches him out of the air, drops him into a jar and continues with his business, while hobie is fuming and yelling about the oppression of voices or smth ahsgasjhssh not to mention miguel probably had to spent a ton of time with hobie getting his measurements for his own mini watch 😭😭 he definitely went to go visit spider-therpist after he was done

i absaloutely love the chase scene with pav and hobie! they're running and swinging for their lives, holding on to each other and the book it down the halls while screaming their asses off until they find miles and crawl all over him (if he's in his normal clothes they totally either jump into his pockets or hoods)

also when hobie visits gwens house to give the watch to her dad? traumatic for the police chief for realll 😭 I can imagine he's just home from work, so still in his uniform, and then a tiny dude just struts up onto his coffee table holding a giant watch and giving him the most judgemental glare ever. "a real piece of work" frr!

ANYWAYS TYSM FOR LISTENING TO ANOTHER T!HOBIE RANT AAHH

howdy! Sorry I took so long to respond, I was camping :)

anywho, YESS Peter just grabs hobie and starts moving him all around, looking him over all while hobie is debating whether to keep his chill or squirm. He chose bite. Hence why, after that incident I fully believe that miles heard that he bit Peter, so when hobie is all over him constantly miles is trying to remain still so he doesn’t get bitten as well. He would also teach mayday to bite.

oh, hobie would definitely yell about oppression of voices… and in the case that he’s put in pocket jail you’d just have a spider person talking to Miguel or Peter then suddenly they’d hear disembodied screaming about power trying to suppress the voice of the people… the spider person would be so confused while the one they’re talking to just ignores it and slowly just puts a hand over their pocket slowly. Also, spider people at some point try to actively avoid crossing the door to Miguel’s office because every once in a while the door will swing open, Miguel will flag down the nearest person and put them in charge of tiny anarchist watching duty.

pav and hobie would be BOOKING IT down the hall, there would be screaming, there would be so much drama, especially from pav. There would be a moment when pav gets stuck somewhere as they’re being chased and pulls a ‘I can’t go on!’ Scene as hobie goes back and carries him to safety. Also, hobie would be laughing so hard mid chase while pav is lowkey horror movie victim running, they could both just have the spider people chasing them lose them at anytime but that’s not as fun. At some point they see miles and run for him, miles would be so confused as he just felt two tiny spiders climbing his legs and clinging to his neck while sitting on his shoulders. Pav would be screaming incoherently about miles running while clinging to him and miles would be so confused until hobie, relaxing on miles hair, just goes ‘you probably want to run’ pointing to the mob… miles: ‘NOT AGAIN!’

Gwen’s poor dad would be so confused, this tiny punk just shows up on his coffee table pulling around a watch twice his size. I feel like Gwen’s dad would try to ask about his size and hobies just like ‘what of it?’. He’d definitely be a price of work and it would be even more impressive if he made Gwen’s watch while tiny, it would be a lot harder to pocket materials and miles would make it more difficult by moving the things away from him on a different table while he’s trying to steal.

TYSM FOR THE MESSAGES I LOVE THIS SM I HAVE SO MANY IDEAS BRAIN GOIN BRR OVER THESE CHARACTERS

#giant/tiny #g/t community #g/t #spiderverse g/t #spiderverse atsv g/t #tiny!hobie #tiny!pavitr #giant!miles #giant!peter Parker #There needs to be more content #I wanna see g/t people #Send me thing!#ily guys #<3

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littlefirefly42 · 1 year ago

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I'm a little upsetti spaghetti I'm ngl

Spoilers for ATSV under the cut

It is so wild to me that people are getting legitimately mad at Gwen for lying Miles when she literally had no choice. She was homeless, and as far as she knew if she went back to her dimension she would get arrested and charged with murder. The only way to prevent that from happening was for her to listen to Miguel and do whatever he said. So yeah, she lied to Miles, but she had no choice.

In fact, it was pretty damn cool of her to visit Miles in the first place, because she didn't have to do that. She was putting herself at risk for that. Same with when she defends him in front of Miguel, catches him during the chase scene and then lets him go, yells at Miguel in defense of him, and gathers all the spider people to find him. Y'all want to talk about how badly she treats Miles when she literally risks everything for him multiple times during the movie.

Also, super random detail you may have missed, SHE'S SIXTEEN. Of course she's going to make stupid mistakes! Of course she's going to accidentally hurt people! She's a teenager who's scared and alone and the one person who was supposed to love her unconditionally and always be there for her turned on her. And you just expect her to just be perfect???

AND ANOTHER THING- It is the same people who are slandering the fuck out of Gwen that are defending Miguel even though he beat the shit out of Miles for wanting to save his dad and continuously shifted the blame for his actions and failures onto other people and let his trauma turn him into an emotionless asshole. Miguel is a grown ass adult. You guys are going to be pissed at a homeless teen doing what she has to do but not a grown ass adult refusing to healthily process his trauma and choosing to use it against others for no reason? That's fucked up.

You know what else is fucked up? Y'all wouldn't care if Hobie was in Gwen's position. You'd be falling over yourselves defending him. The thing about morally grey characters is that everyone fucking loves them until they're a women. Then suddenly they're a bitch and they're evil and they're backstabbing and it's so fucking annoying to me if you're a misogynist just say that.

And if I get a single reply about her opening Mile's action figure I'm gonna lose it.

#i am not sorry because it's true #Gwen Stacy #spider woman #ghost spider #across the spiderverse #into the spider verse #miguel o'hara #hobie brown #gwen stacy spiderverse #miguel spiderman #miguel spiderverse #tagging so you fuckers see this

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sir-adamus · 1 year ago

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My absolute favorite thing about ATSV is the narrative repetition of not only literal religion but wanting to do both things / two things and the callbacks to walker scenes. Miles trying to catch Gwen after he startles her and the Spot kicks her vs her trying to save him from falling during the chase and he snaps the line on purpose

Miles and his two cakes and Pavitr saying “I can do both!” as we see he cannot hold the bus and save captain singh and the girl (but with help they do indeed save everyone)

Miles literally has DNA from two different dimensions he’s literally always been both since he got bitten!! That’s the point it’s so good!!

Spider-Man doesn’t always win. They don’t always save the day. But with this unique technology they have a chance to learn and make friends and new connections. If the issue was just universe hopping then the whole spider base thing would be a bad idea. I can’t wait for the power of friendship and trying even tho it seems hopeless to kick ass in Beyond it’s gonna be so good.

Gwen also has an "i can do both" thing - trying to keep the canon event happening and save Miles (and thinking she failed when he gets buried under the rubble, which is why she was so panicked in that scene, because she was right back at the night of the dance and seeing Peter crushed under the rubble)

and yeah the thing is it's like

this movie is hanging a lampshade on the idea that Spider-Man needs to have these personal tragedies happen to be a better hero - that these events aren't just unfortunate happenstance but Fated Incidents that have to happen in order for them to be correct in the role (and uh, just a note... doesn't apply to Miguel - literally none of his story lines up with the Peter archetype)

like - the Uncle Ben death is a tragedy because it could have been prevented, it was something Peter could've stopped and didn't because of his pride, and the resulting guilt of that forms his 'with great power must also come great responsibility' thing (which also a note, not originally an Uncle Ben line, it was just a narration bit, only got applied to Ben later) - but the point is it's a code he forms in the wake of tragedy, not a predestined event meant to teach him a lesson

and more importantly Miles in these movies never needed to learn that - because he outright quotes the line to Peter B during the first movie, and of course he did! he's about 13/14 in Into the Spider-Verse, Blond Peter had been Spider-Man for a decade and he marketed the hell out of it; every kid in New York grew up knowing the line (which is actually a factor i don't see people discussing when it comes to the 'Earth 42 Miles and Earth 1610B Miles swapped fates' thing, we don't know what kind of Spider-Man that the Earth 42 Miles would've become, or how our Miles would've ended up if he hadn't been bitten)

Uncle Aaron's death is rather erroneously framed like Ben's by Miguel, but a) it wasn't something Miles could've prevented but didn't, he very nearly died himself, and b) it's reinforced later as 'sometimes you can't always save everyone'

so in terms of 'canon events', Aaron's death fits the George Stacy death more than it does the Uncle Ben death, where it happens in a moment it is impossible for Spider-Man to prevent it as a result of the main villain of the story (Aaron is even trying to save Miles in that moment, who was wearing the red store-bought Spider-Man costume, and pointedly the kids George and Inspector Singh try to save in those moments are also wearing red) - however ultimately it's trying to fit all these personal, different tragedies into a specific box that's the problem, because that's not how life works (nor is it how the multiverse works, but Miguel thinks it does and he's convinced others of the same and refuses to accept any alternatives). Aaron's death isn't a variation on Uncle Ben's death, George Stacy's death or anyone else's death. it's the death of Aaron Davis

also, introducing other Spiders completely changes the surrounding context and the stakes - if Inspector Singh had died there, would Pavitr have come to the conclusion that he couldn't always save everyone? or would he have been angry and resentful that the people he thought were his friends sat there and did nothing when they could have helped? because he wasn't alone in that situation, which completely changes the ballpark even if no one else interferes, it would affect how he responds to it

so it's all questioning why these events need to happen - if we're looking at it in-universe, these things are just unfortunate tragedies. looking at everything bad that happens to you as predetermined fate meant to teach you a lesson is both incredibly unhealthy and fucking dehumanising to your loved ones - a community of Spider-People can help each other and mentor the younger ones to convey the lessons and codes the elders pieced together so they don't have to go through the same shit, be forced through the same pain under the bullshit logic that the suffering will make them 'better'

and from a meta-narrative perspective, the 'canon' is the stakes of the story; Earth-65B continues to run even with George quitting, because dramatically speaking, learning Gwen is Spider-Woman and nearly losing her forever, while Gwen avoids going home because she's terrified that her father hates her and - compounding that - is scared that if she does go home, he'll already have died. that drama is 'good for the story' and can resolve without anyone dying

Peter B literally only has Mayday because of Miles, the 'original anomaly', and yet Earth-616B is perfectly fine with a child who - according to Miguel's logic - should not exist. why? because Peter B has started putting in the effort to make his life work, 'making adjustments at half-time', and earning his happy ending

whereas Miguel deciding to skip all the hard work of trying to make his life better by just inserting himself into a happy life that belongs to someone else, and that reality crumbles apart because he didn't earn it - so the stakes had to be raised, and the resulting guilt is what turns Miguel into the uncompromising anti-hero we have in this film

Spider-people are capable of incredible things, and are capable of even more incredible things when they have each others' backs - they've just gotten too caught up in their guilt complexes to realise that

#Across the Spider-Verse #atsv spoilers #whoo this got longer than i expected it to

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